1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Yes, this is the FAA and Trinidad Colorado. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Yes sir. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 And we had an airplane report. 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:17,000 What he told me is that it's just a very strange looking object over in the Vita Pass, which 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,000 is on the front range of the Rockies. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,000 And it's all in North Central Colorado and it is the front range. 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Although that Vita Pass area, this aircraft was flying westbound from, well I'll say from 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Kebbo to Alamo to Ariam. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 So it was going westbound over the pass. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:45,000 And I tried to get him to describe it and he said that it was, he had never seen anything 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 like this, of this nature before. 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000 And he said he hated to say it but it looked like the UFO. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 I got his name and his phone number if you want to talk to him because I could not get 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 him to describe it over the air. 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,000 And he lives over by the Crete area, Crete, Colorado. 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,000 And it will probably take him another hour and a half to two hours to get over there. 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,000 But I told him that I would give him his name and phone number. 18 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 And people probably want to call him about it. 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Oh, very good. 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 We sure appreciate this. 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Okay, that's all I can tell you. 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Okay, do you want us to get back to you and let you know if we can come up with anything on it? 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 I would appreciate it. 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Yeah, that's our flight service area and I'd like to know if there's something over there. 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Okay, thanks very much. 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Thank you. 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 We understand that you saw something up in the sky tonight when you were flying. 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 Yes, sir, I did. 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 I wonder if we could get a description of exactly what you saw. 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Yes, sir. 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Look like a metal oblong spheroid. 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Pretty much like the famous opulent color. 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:11,000 No distinguishing features. 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,000 No airfoil that I could discern. 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Was it dark at the time? 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 At the time of the encounter? 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Yes. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,000 I'm not sure. 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:32,000 It was about 15, 20 minutes past five o'clock in the afternoon. 40 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Okay. 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:44,000 You didn't see any openings or lights? 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Lights. 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:59,000 There was an area that near the upper portion of it that struck me as if it might have been 44 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 translucent. 45 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:07,000 But I couldn't, you know, just kind of look again if you look at some of that translucent 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,000 block or something. 47 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Almost like there's light behind it, but you wouldn't bet on it. 48 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 I see. 49 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,000 Okay, was this thing moving across the sky or was it maintaining a stationary position? 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,000 In relation to me, it was stationary. 51 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Okay. 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Same direction, same speed, same altitude. 53 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Did it maintain this position at all times while you were watching it? 54 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 It didn't last very long. 55 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,000 But yes, it will. 56 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Did this move away or did it just disappear? 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:51,000 It apparently stopped its forward motion and I got ahead of it and I didn't see it. 58 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Did it maintain its straight line flight path or? 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 I'm sorry. 60 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,000 I tried to mirror away from it. 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000 Yeah. 62 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Okay, I'm right alongside. 63 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Keeping an even pace? 64 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Yes, sir. 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 Okay, do you have any estimates of how close it came to you? 66 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Too damn close. 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:27,000 If it had been, well that's the reason I veered away. 68 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Air to air encounter or something. 69 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 It probably scared the death of me. 70 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,000 And no exception. 71 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,000 I thought it was going to quieten me. 72 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Any estimates to the number of feet away? 73 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Well, no one knows. 74 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 It's kind of hard to say. 75 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,000 It's less than 50 feet. 76 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Okay. 77 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,000 All for my wing too. 78 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,000 65 or 70 feet. 79 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Okay, did you pick up any air turbulence? 80 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Yes, sir. 81 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Was that one of the closest? 82 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,000 I can't say. 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Okay. 84 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,000 But it was a turbulent area. 85 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Okay. 86 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Any estimates in size? 87 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Just by comparing it with something else. 88 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Maybe the size of the T-83. 89 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,000 That's big. 90 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Did you see any trail or fire emitting from any part of it? 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,000 No, sir. 92 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,000 But in your opinion, was this a metallic surface? 93 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Yes, sir. 94 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 Okay. 95 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Did you have the feeling that this thing was actually watching you? 96 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 You better believe me. 97 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:08,000 It couldn't possibly have maintained its proximity to me without being aware of my presence. 98 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Okay. 99 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Do you have any idea of the altitude that you were flying at this time? 100 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Yes, sir. 101 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:28,000 5500 feet in this now. 102 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Okay. 103 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Over what area do you remember? 104 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 La Vita Pass. 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Bermuda? 106 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 La Vita. 107 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Oh, La Vita. 108 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 Okay. 109 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,000 La Vita Pass, that's the first range of the front range. 110 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 And the eastern corner. 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Okay. 112 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Canada, southern, it's called it. 113 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 New Wallston Bird. 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Yeah, it's called the St. Wallston Bird, you know, almost, it's called it. 115 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 Okay, do you remember your speed? 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Well, my airspeed was about 145 and I had a plan to work, like 28 knots, so I was doing 120. 117 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Okay. 118 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 And ground speed, I don't know, I don't know, I think I only had one airspeed. 119 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 No, that's okay. 120 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,000 Did you have any interference with any of your electronic equipment? 121 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,000 I don't know. 122 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Okay. 123 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:38,000 I had nothing audible and it was some moments before I had enough composure to try and everything 124 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 worked fine. 125 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Okay. 126 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,000 You pretty much had your eye on this thing at all times, I suppose. 127 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 Yes, sir. 128 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Did you communicate at all with Denver Center? 129 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,000 See if you had this thing on radar. 130 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 That's what I called a flight service station. 131 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:03,000 I'm sorry, I didn't know what to do and I called a man and there was a president right 132 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,000 at the gate. 133 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:13,000 I did have my transponder activated so they might have it on the wall. 134 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000 I see, okay. 135 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Okay, did you experience any problems with the aircraft before you got it down to the ground? 136 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 You were radio operator all right at all times. 137 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Well, that's the time when I tried to use it. 138 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Okay. 139 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,000 What kind of plane were you flying? 140 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:40,000 I was flying a helicopter at E-235. 141 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Okay, how were the weather conditions? 142 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,000 It was windy and of course, start to know it was not pass. 143 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Visibility was probably 45, 50 miles. 144 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Okay. 145 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:59,000 There were clouds over some mountain page but there were none in the case. 146 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Okay, did that object reflect sunlight? 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,000 I wasn't in a position to be able to tell whether it would have or not. 148 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 I was headed right into the sun and it was off the light, poor thing. 149 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 I see, okay. 150 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Was there any other radio traffic while you were up there watching this thing? 151 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,000 I'm sorry, sir, I can't say. 152 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Okay. 153 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:40,000 Well, we sure appreciate your giving us your time and describing this and we'll check it out, see if we can't come up with some kind of answer. 154 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,000 If we do get any information on it, why we'll get back to you and let you know. 155 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,000 I would certainly appreciate that, sir. 156 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,000 I hope it turns out to be a small game. 157 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,000 Those days are gone forever, I'm afraid. 158 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000 I don't think I've ever had a more chromatic experience. 159 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Still, I'm not quite myself. 160 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Did you have a fixed opinion on UFOs prior to this? 161 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Uh, well, I always wanted to see one. 162 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Uh-huh. 163 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,000 I would say yes, I probably did. 164 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:24,000 I think I probably accepted the possibility of it. 165 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Okay, you didn't have a camera along, did you? 166 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,000 I'm sorry, I'm just incredibly happy to talk to you. 167 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Man, we thank you again for giving us your time and we come up with any answers while we get back to you and let you know. 168 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Thank you very much. 169 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Thanks again. 170 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 A little feedback, we just finished talking to Mr. 171 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Uh-huh. 172 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:53,000 And he saw an object, a silver oblong, a spherical shaped object which looked like it was made of stainless steel. 173 00:10:53,000 --> 00:11:00,000 About the size of a DC3, no appendages or openings of any kind aboard. 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:09,000 And the thing, he watched it for about two minutes, approached it within about 50 feet of his wingtip. 175 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:14,000 He tried to bank away from it as it came in. 176 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:24,000 And, uh, eventually the thing apparently came to a complete stop in the sky and then he just passed it and that was the last he saw of it. 177 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Had it under observation for about two minutes. 178 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Do you get a lot of calls like this? 179 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Not so many from people in the sky, most of our observers come from the ground, you know, ground observations. 180 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:48,000 But airborne sightings are a rarity. I mean, that's, they're a rarity as being reported to us. 181 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Whether a lot are being seen and not being reported, I don't know. 182 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,000 This stuff is pretty much on a legit type basis then. 183 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Oh yes. 184 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,000 I don't know, I just can't imagine anything like that. 185 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Well, it's just a rarity. A lot of animals, I'll tell you that. 186 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 I bet it is. 187 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,000 He's still shaking, he says. 188 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,000 So what do you people do with a report like this? 189 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Well, we, uh, hope that someone else will come along with maybe something from the ground in that same area so we can get kind of a verification. 190 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:36,000 And then get all the data we can on the description and the behavior of the object and so forth and then match it up with the material we got in our data bank. 191 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:42,000 And then just hold it for future reference. 192 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Well, I haven't heard another word about it. 193 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,000 I talked to another pilot, was in the same state at the same time. 194 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:53,000 You know, he heard this other pilot reporting it. 195 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:03,000 He called late this evening for a weather briefing or not, woke up the other day and he was telling me a lot of things that the pilot said that I had missed. 196 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 You know, the radio communications aren't too good over there. 197 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:14,000 And he was saying that the pilot was not asking for the shape of it. 198 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:22,000 I didn't copy it on the radio and this other pilot, he called and he said that he didn't put that it was around and there was no type of air flow at all on it. 199 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Right. 200 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,000 And it mesmerized him pretty bad because he didn't even think of looking at his instruments. 201 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,000 He was locked on the object at all times and then it started to approach him and he banked away. 202 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:42,000 He said when the object turned towards him it didn't bank at all. It just made a very level turn. 203 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Boy, that was scary to heck out of you. 204 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,000 You're still scared. His voice was quivered on the phone. 205 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 What kind of airplane was that? A Piper Cherokee? 206 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Yeah, 235 Piper Cherokee. 207 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Well, okay, I'll keep my eyes and ears open over on this end. 208 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Fine, we sure appreciate the call. 209 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000 Yes, sir, any time. 210 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Thanks again.